but education is another one. but it was guided pretty much by the moderator who did a great job conducting this. i don't find the debate wanting on substantive issues. >> if you're my age and you are watching this thing and you're worried about medicare and social security, which of these individuals do you believe? >> it would depend on who you are predisposed to believe. joe biden is a had a liberal, a new deal liberal. i am not averse to point out that, whereas his own president is willing to contemplate raising the retirement age, joe biden said, no, we will not touch these things. these things are sacred. everyone over the age of nine knows that come if you don't know anything -- if you don't do anything for medicare and social security, it will not be around. he made the case. we are the party of social security. the republicans largely oppose it. yes, that is true, for 50 years. what will you do when you're on president has said that medicare will die unless it is reformed? so if you're inclined toward tha